Declining Invitations in the Dream State, Maintaining Consciousness in Deep Sleep

[00:00:00] Relating to what you were talking about, about waking up and it feels like you've kind of lost it kind of thing. One thing that may be helpful to tune into is that it is actually possible to accept invitations in the dream state.

[00:00:19] And that's been my experience. What can happen is when you're very, very present, and you're not really accepting any invitations in the the waking state, the lower mind, it's still. The lower mind, it, it feeds off of grosser energies and so it, it craves the grosser energies and so it will do anything

[00:00:43] it can, it will find any gap or kind of vulnerability in consciousness it can to sort of insert some contractive invitations and get us to accept them. So what can happen is if we're in a very high state in the waking state and we're not accepting any invitations, it can shift to where it starts to try to send us invitations in the dream state.

[00:01:11] And I've experienced that quite a bit, or it can try to do it very, very early in the morning, or yeah, just during moments where we're essentially a little bit less conscious, like kind of in that, in-between state of waking and sleeping. But also the opportunity there is, you essentially, you just continue to keep becoming more and more conscious, even into the dream state.

[00:01:42] What can start to happen is, and this has been my experience is you will start to maintain consciousness even as the body is falling asleep. And it's a gradual sort of thing, but you also experience more and more, being sort of lucid or just conscious to varying degrees within the dream state or in those kind of liminal states between waking and sleep.

[00:02:06] And you'll just, the more proficient you are at declining the invitations during the waking state, that will start to carry over into the dream state and into those kind of liminal states. And then, yeah, so you'll basically be able to decline, even those extremely subtle dream level invitations, which may be what was sort of giving you that experience of waking up and feeling like all of it was lost.

[00:02:38] But then even, even then again. You don't have to turn that into a kind of practice or a goal where it's like, okay, now I have to be conscious all night and I have to be conscious in the dream state, kind of thing. Because the whole thing is, even if you do wake up and you say you had accepted a sort of invitation in your dream state, and then you wake up with the energy a little bit off.

[00:03:01] Again, the way that you fix that is by just allowing it to be exactly as it is, just being completely neutral towards it and not spiraling and going into a sort of subtle effort to fix it or, you know, putting in a practice to like, oh, I have to be conscious of my dreams or something.

[00:03:21] And then what really happens is you don't put in an effort to be more conscious during the, the dream state or the liminal states. It's just the more conscious you are in the waking state and the more you're neutralizing those energies, it just carries over into the dream state. That's been my experience is like I never practiced, to be able to be conscious in sleep or in my dream state, but it's just through

[00:03:52] Just being with the present moment exactly as it is. I have found over time, especially over the past few months, I'll wake up and I'll be like, wait, I've been conscious even since before I woke up. It's a really weird sensation. Or I'll be conscious for several minutes before the body wakes up. And then I'm conscious of that whole sort of process of like leaving the dream state, the dream state kind of ending.

[00:04:19] There's kind of like that experience of deep sleep or dreamless sleep, and then there's consciousness of the body awaking. But that can all just happen very effortlessly and sort of out of nowhere the more proficient you get at just allowing things to be as they are. And really if you are getting invitations in the dream state, that's a great sign because it's basically the lower mind is like, man, we have no vulnerabilities left, so we just gotta kind of try to do whatever we can in the, the dream or liminal state.

[00:04:53] So it, it's almost like a last defense from the lower mind, but really, it, again, it's just, it's just opportunity because it just, it, it would just carry over into you actually even being more conscious, even in those states. And it would just happen completely effortlessly. And then again, yeah, if you wake up and you're kind of off, you just allow that to be exactly as it is and you just go about your day and then things will naturally settle.

[00:05:21] And even if it takes a while, that's totally fine because you're not, you're not labeling it a problem. You're not resisting anything or or seeking to change it. You're just being with whatever is exactly as it is. And then when things do open up and refine and you get that rich experience, it's such a gift because it happens completely spontaneously.

[00:05:44] You're not looking forward or trying to make anything happen. It's just very organic and outta nowhere. It's, it's a gift and it's, it's, that's the present. You stay in the present and that is the greatest present. That's, but yeah, I hope that maybe helps.

[00:06:04] That's incredible bro. That's all so good.

[00:06:07] The, the dream stuff is interesting and it's really interesting what you mentioned about the crazy killing dreams and stuff too, because I was having that exact same thing several months ago and it's interesting it was a very similar sort of pattern where, it was where I was. This was several months ago.

[00:06:28] But I was kind of in a period where I was in one of the most amazing states that I had been in up to that point. And I was kind of neutralizing and transmuting so many things. I was just in such a good state all day throughout the waking state. And then I had that exact same thing coming up. I was having crazy dreams, like crazy, like about killings, atrocities, tragedies, like horrible, horrible things.

[00:06:55] But it was kind of the same of like, yeah, it wouldn't really bother me. I would just wake up and be like, oh, that's kind of weird, and just move forward. But yeah, it, it, it was preferable to, to know how to, decline the invitations in the dreams too. And it was interesting, I, what began to happen after a while of me having those crazy dreams is I was steadily becoming more conscious in the dreams.

[00:07:25] And I started to notice this pattern and I, maybe this is just unique to me, or maybe it's like a strategy of the lower mind that it uses in the dream state, but it was, the pattern was, I would start off in a dream. And then I'm in a very ordinary sort of situation that I would be in in my waking state.

[00:07:47] And then there would be something that would come up. There would be some sort of little emergency or someone needing my help or something happening, which would start to kind of bait me or coax me into traveling outside of the territory within my dream that I was normally used to. Like say I'm sitting in my house in the dream, the dream will start to try to get me to like leave my house and then maybe go down a road that I don't normally go down that I'm not particularly familiar with.

[00:08:20] And then it's right when I would step outside of the kind of boundary of familiar familiarity. I would get pummeled, like I would, something horrible would happen. Like I would get blasted with some type of horrible energy. I would get jumped or like I would see my mom dead or something.

[00:08:37] Or I would see some type of horrible tragedy happening. Or I would even have weird ones show up where it would be like it would be weird scenarios. My mom would say, be like, she would be dying in front of me. And the scenario would be, the dream is basically telling me in order to save your mom, you need to kill her so that she doesn't suffer like kind of thing.

[00:09:00] Like it's basically trying to set up these weird scenarios to coax me into these kind of mental dreamlike contractions, and it's playing on, it's playing on my vulnerabilities. Like it would play on, it would coax me into thinking like, something's wrong or something, someone's being hurt and so I need to go out and try to resolve this problem.

[00:09:26] And then once I kind of venture outside of my safe zone or whatever you would call it. I would then get hit by this crazy extreme scenario. And then the more I was kind of outside of my familiar zone, the more likely I was to spiral and bite the bait of the the contractive dream and I ended up having crazy dreams and a lot of them I would totally fall for it.

[00:09:53] I would get completely wrapped up in it. I would end up being chased or like having to kill someone or like some type of crazy [00:10:00] stuff. And yeah, it was really weird. But I started to notice that that's totally what was happening. It was basically the way that it works is. The lower mind, it would prefer for you to spiral and contract during the waking state because the waking state is denser.

[00:10:22] It lasts longer, it's more stable. So it's easier for it to set up like behavioral patterns that you will just continuously contract and snag on. And you also use more energy in the waking state if you are contracted. So it prefers for us to go into lower frequencies and contractions when we're in the waking state, but it's almost like what begins to happen,

[00:10:45] When we're kind of starving out the lower mind in the waking state, like we're not getting pulled into any of the contractions. It kind of gives up on the waking state. It's like, all right, this just isn't working. So I think it kind of saves up all of its ammunition. All of its lower frequencies that you've given it in the past, and rather than trying to send it to you during the waking state.

[00:11:06] It sets up some sort of weird dream scenario. It's like it's projecting it into your consciousness and then it waits until you're most vulnerable, most likely to spiral into some sort of contraction or delusional type situation. And then it blasts you with all of that energy and it, it does everything it can to get you to go into contraction.

[00:11:32] And it's always playing on your weaknesses. Exactly like you described the situation with your ex, is an example of that. But then the opportunity is like what you saw and what you did was you can even transmute and flow through the energies in the dream state. It's like you're becoming so conscious in the waking state and you're so acclimated to choosing expansion and to not spiraling and succumbing to the grosser denser energies that that starts to carry over into the dream state.

[00:12:02] Where even then the invitations stop working and you even start working things out on the dream level to where it begins to actually benefit you. And it could be really, empowering and lifting, kind of thing. But yeah, that's exactly what it does. It's using any vulnerability or kind of weak point of your day that it can, and the dream state is

[00:12:27] a easy target point. And I think it, it's, like I said, I think it prefers the waking state, but it'll kind of take whatever it can get. But then the benefit is, the kind of graceful side of that is, is that, for me, what that led into, it led into me developing this consciousness throughout all of sleep.

[00:12:47] It was almost like through the intensity. You can almost say it's similar to, we kind of become conscious through the intensity of waking life. A lot of times it's intense suffering, which drives us to become more conscious and have spiritual awakenings. That's almost in a way what started to happen in the dream state.

[00:13:06] I was having all of these very intense situations and things play out, and then I started to get curious in them. And for me, the way it played out is I, I, it's, like I said, I noticed that pattern of how it would try to put me in a familiar area and then get me to venture outside of that through some sort of fear-based invitation.

[00:13:27] And I started to become conscious during those moments when I was in the familiar area. And then I stopped biting the bait of leaving the area. And then the thing stopped happening. It's like the, the kind of spiraling into to worse, crazy dreams stopped happening. And it carried over,

[00:13:46] it's almost like by me transmuting these denser energies in the dream state. I became progressively more and more conscious throughout all of sleep. And now I am starting to experience that more and more where it's like I'm conscious the whole way through, like from waking to falling asleep. I'll, I'll wake up and be like, I, I can't even tell if I was sleeping or not sometimes.

[00:14:11] 'cause I was conscious the whole time. It's like I'm aware of the body waking and then it's confusing because I'm like, wait, my body was just asleep, but I was still fully here. And it's, it's weird. And really what's interesting, the sensation that I get, it's not even so much that I'm becoming conscious during the dream and the deep sleep.

[00:14:34] It's more so I'm realizing that I was always conscious during dream and deep sleep. We're always conscious. It's just that those states are so incredibly, incredibly subtle. They're so, it's, they're, it's like nothing in, in terms of substance compared to the physical world. And because we're so acclimated towards the grosser, denser energies of the physical world.

[00:15:02] When we wake up and we look back on the dream state and the deep sleep state, it feels like we were unconscious. But I'm realizing it's not that we're unconscious, we were actually conscious the whole way through. It's just so incredibly subtle that we associate that with unconsciousness. Like we think that we were unconscious.

[00:15:22] But my experience has been, I think as I'm more and more grounded in the subtleness and on that neutral, just impersonal layer, just being with the present moment exactly as it is. I'm so used to the subtleness even during the waking state that I'm, it's like I'm staying fully conscious going into the dream and deep sleep state. And

[00:15:55] yeah, it's very interesting. It's, like I said, it feel, the sensation is like, oh, it was always like this. I just didn't notice. I associated that with unconsciousness, but it's not unconscious. It's just extremely, extremely subtle consciousness and it makes sense. I've even heard Rupert and I think, I don't think he invented it.

[00:16:14] I think it comes from just advaita, a text. But I've heard him say deep sleep is not the absence of consciousness. It's the consciousness of absence. It's the awareness of absence. And that's been my experience is I'm realizing that I'm fully conscious the whole way through. And prior to this deepening, you look at that and you say oh, deep sleep feels like being unconscious, but it's not that you're unconscious.

[00:16:46] It's just that you're so acclimated towards the denser, heavier energies of physicality and of the the waking state that you associate the lack of content, you associate pure consciousness with unconsciousness. But it was actually always conscious. Like you, you're never truly unconscious. You can be conscious of no-thing.

[00:17:11] You can be conscious of complete absence, of deep sleep, but the consciousness is eternal. It never leaves. And I think that's what's been happening. It's very interesting. It's yeah, very similar pattern. It basically the invitations started happening in the dream state. And then I started to become more and more conscious and I started to not accept the invitations even in the dream state.

[00:17:39] And then I started to become more and more lucid. And it's interesting 'cause I used to think when I'm lucid dreaming, oh, I'll just like fly around and do that kind of thing. But it's funny. For me, when I'm in the lucid dreams, I don't do any of that. I basically just do the same stuff that I do during the waking state.

[00:17:59] I'm basically just staying in the present moment and just following my intuition and my inspiration as it arises, and I'll just be doing normal things in my dream state. I'll just be at my house doing the same kinds of things. But it's different. It's like I'm lucid for it. And I'm, I'm lucid to the point to where I, I have that conscious control whether or not I spiral into a bad dream.

[00:18:26] And then even if I do start to go into a bad dream, I've also had moments where I'll catch myself, I'll start to become lucid, and then I just realize that I don't have to succumb to that contraction. I can just go back to the neutrality, just go back to allowing things as they are, and it's like the entire dream will just change.

[00:18:47] I had one scenario where I was having a bad dream and it was in that crazy thing, and then I became lucid and I just started being the neutrality. Just allowing things to be as they are. And I just, I teleported out of the, the bad situation that I was in and I was just meditating on my bed.

[00:19:06] I was just sitting on my bed cross-legged meditating. And another very interesting thing

[00:19:13] connected to that is the more that this has been happening, where it's like I'm conscious of the entire sleep state. When I wake up, I wake up wide awake because it's like, it feels like I've been awake even before I wake up. Even if I'm a little bit groggy, say I, I didn't sleep for that long.

[00:19:31] I'm wide awake instantly. It's like I wake up completely locked in, locked in, in like a good way, like completely present. And it's like literally the, the second I wake up I could just do, I don't know, say a really hard math problem or I could do something which involves like quite intense focus.

[00:19:52] Whereas before, say there would be a period of waking up where I'm kind of groggy and I have to kind of like recoup myself. [00:20:00] Now it's like there's none of that. I'm instantly fully conscious and then I can also go back to sleep very, very easily. I can go right back to sleep still maintaining that degree of consciousness.

[00:20:13] And then sometimes I'll wake back up again and I can't even tell if I had been asleep or not in a way. 'cause it was just like consciousness the whole way through. It's only noticing the body like getting up and doing some sort of physical movement. Then I'm like, oh wait, I was sleeping there.

[00:20:31] It's really weird. But yeah bro, that was kind of a long message, but it, it's, it's interesting. We have some interesting similarities with that and yeah, I don't think any of it's a coincidence that it got brought up and the little synchronicities and things. Um yeah, it's beautiful. But yeah, bro, I hope you have a good day at work, I hope, 'cause you're probably sleeping right now, so I wonder if you'll have some crazy dreams tonight.

[00:21:01] But yeah, dude, I'll talk to you later. Peace out.